Why Trying To Be A “High Value Man” is F**king Stupid

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While there is no official definition, in red pill and similar teachings, a “high value man” typically refers to a man who:

  • Has high income/financial success and independence
  • Is physically fit and well-groomed
  • Possesses confidence, assertiveness, and leadership traits
  • Is emotionally controlled and non-needy
  • Lives a purpose-driven life with clear goals
  • Commands respect from peers and women
  • Constantly improves himself mentally, physically, and financially
  • Values his time and doesn’t chase validation or approval

According to those who teach these ideas, the concept of the high value man is rooted in evolutionary psychology, social dynamics, and male self-improvement. These traits, they say, are required to be successful with attractive women.

And it’s all complete bullshit.

A few quick facts, all of which I’ve discussed before in great detail:

1. I have personally known (not guys I’ve heard about, but personally known) pick-up artist type guys who were not ripped, not good-looking, fucking homeless, yes homeless, who slept on their friend’s couches, who had sex with lots of cute girls, and I know this because the girls told me, not the guys. And some of these guys were total drama queens (a personality trait unfortunately common among PUAs).

Were these guys high value based on the above definition?

Were they even close?

2. I have personally known homeless and near-homeless black guys who were not ripped who had sex with hot white girls. And again, I confirmed this.

Were these guys high value?

3. I have personally known multiple average-looking men in their 50s who were not ripped, not millionaires, who definitely looked their age, get girlfriends as young as age 25 without paying them (not sugar daddy).

Were these guys high value?

4. Many years ago while I was living in an apartment with no furniture and no bed (going through a divorce), driving an eight-year-old Nissan, while I was overweight, balding, and had a huge gap in my front two teeth, I was having sex with so many women in their late teens and early twenties as man in his late thirties/early forties without paying for it (not sugar daddy) that I had real trouble scheduling them all in a typical week.

Was I high value?

You might answer, “Well yes Caleb, you were high value, because you were older, and older men have higher value,” or something like that.

But wait a minute. Just being older with no other attractive qualities is not the internet/red pill definition of high value man. It’s not even fucking close!

I just gave you the list above. Being a “high value man” means you are ripped and fit and high-income and confident and non-needy and has a Mission in life and consistently improves himself and bunch of other shit.

Yet myself and bazillions of other men I’ve known over the past 18 years have had sex and relationships with attractive (and often much younger) women, and without paying them, without having any of those things (or at best, having maybe one of those things).

On top of that, as I’ve been saying for about 15 years online at my blogs and in my books, you should never, ever, EVER focus on things like being rich or ripped because of girls.

Dude. Who gives a fuck what girls want?

Think about it. Girls (generally) want things like monogamy, cash, submission, traditional marriage, socialism, alimony, Hillary Clinton, little foofy dogs, and a bunch of other crap I want nothing to do with.

I don’t give a shit what women want and I haven’t for at least 20 years now.

And you shouldn’t either.

If you want those “high value man” traits listed above, and there’s nothing wrong with wanting those things, then great, but want them for YOURSELF, not some future hypothetical cute girl who might like you because you drive a cool car or can flex your pecks like Hulk Hogan.

Jesus fuck!

It’s for all of these reasons that whenever I see a man in my audience asking me how to be a high value man, a little part of me dies.

1. You don’t need to be a high value man to be sexually successful.

and

2. Trying to be fit, rich, or confident just because you want to get laid is pathetic and beta as fuck. It places the motivation and emphasis on all the wrong areas.

And I say all of this as a high value man! I qualify for pretty much all of the “high value man” requirements listed above.

I’m very young and decent looking for my age (53), not ripped but extremely healthy, strong, and high-energy, I make and have a lot of money, I’m confident, outcome independent, non-needy, I constantly improve myself, I value my time, and blah blah blah blah.

But as those of you who have been following my content for a long time already know, I was getting laid a lot with attractive younger women without paying for it before I had any of that stuff.

(Other than maybe the high income, but there was a period during 2007-2010 where I didn’t even have that due to my divorce at the time, and I was still getting laid left and right.)

Now, as I’ve made clear perhaps 10,000 times, does being a “high value man” and/or having high SMV help with getting laid with hot women?

Of course it does! Duh. Yes, it helps. It would be silly to say otherwise.

But is being a “high value man” required to score with attractive women?

No! It fucking doesn’t!

I know it bothers some of you when I say this, and I know that conflicts with today’s red pill/Instagram culture, but I’m factually, objectively correct about this.

It isn’t required, and I’ve seen bazillions of cases (including with me) where it wasn’t.

Does that mean you shouldn’t bother to be the red pill definition of a high value man?

Obviously I don’t believe that either, because I took the time and effort (a lot of time and effort, and money as well) to become a high value man myself.

But I never did it to get laid. That was never my motivation. Even back when I was a young beta male in my twenties.

I wanted a lot of money so I could be free. I knew being poor would keep me a slave, as well as being stuck to a 9-5 job, so I needed money to set me free. For fuck’s sake, it had nothing to do with women!

I wanted to build my confidence and outcome independence so I could be happy. I realized by my mid-twenties that being unsure, reactive, and needy made me miserable. I didn’t want to be miserable. Women and dating had nothing to do with it.

In the last 2-3 years, I’ve lost a lot of weight, hit the gym hard, completely changed my eating habits, and engaged in a rigorous daily stretching routine. Though I’m not done yet, I have truly transformed how my body looks, moves, and feels, but I did this so I could have a higher quality of life in my old age and live a long time. It had nothing to do with women at all, since I was already getting laid with super-hot women when I was more chubby and had stiff muscles and joints.

Are you getting the point here?

Either don’t bother to be a high value man, or pursue it but only for your own selfish reasons that have nothing to do with chicks!

This is just my personal opinion, but there is nothing more pathetic to me than a guy who works on a business to make a million dollars or hits the gym six times a week just because he wants hot girls.

Really? That’s your big goal? Pussy?

Especially considering you don’t even need a million dollars or a six-pack to have sex with really hot girls?

This high value man bullshit is all ass-backwards.

Keep this in mind next time the next red pill or similar guy talks about being a “high value man,” because you’re going to keep hearing it a lot.

Unfortunately.

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12 Comments
  • Steve
    Posted at 09:27 am, 13th May 2025

    Personally I think it’s fine whatever motivates guys to get fit or make money, because it’s gonna benefit their life regardless of the reason they decided to do it. So I think if being more attractive to women is the thing that really motivates you currently, just go with it, use that as your motivation to self-improve. It’s kinda stupid for the reasons you mentioned, but hey whatever works to get yourself making positive changes that will benefit you across the board.

  • Sotiris Ktistis
    Posted at 09:29 am, 13th May 2025

    Amazing content as always.
    People have to realize that whatever they do, they must do it for themselves.
    Not to get approval or pussy.

  • London PUA
    Posted at 09:57 am, 13th May 2025

    You mention not not giving a shit what woman want. But if you don’t care about what they want, how can you be attractive? If the answer, not caring about what they want? But only what they respond to?

  • Nail
    Posted at 10:23 am, 13th May 2025

    Dude. Who gives a fuck what girls want?

    If you really want to double down on this, go fuck a bunch of hookers and while you’re fucking them make them do all the work while you just sit there and enjoy (you’re paying for it after all, so they’re doing all the work). Don’t even bother giving them an orgasm.

    This comes naturally to me because I’m a massive narcissist (with a severe case of both Autism Spectrum Disorder and ADHD).

    Now, as I’ve made clear perhaps 10,000 times, does being a “high value man” and/or having high SMV help with getting laid with hot women?

    Of course it does! Duh. Yes, it helps. It would be silly to say otherwise.

    What’s not being mentioned here is that it HELPS A LOT. If you make a million dollars a year (and you don’t even need to make that much, even half that amount will work), you can easily get laid with hot pornstars. The guys who complain that sort of thing “is beta” are really just angry broke losers with fragile egos who’re mad they can’t compete.

    This is just my personal opinion, but there is nothing more pathetic to me than a guy who works on a business to make a million dollars or hits the gym six times a week just because he wants hot girls.

    Really? That’s your big goal? Pussy?

    You really have some emotional issues with the way other guys go about their lives, don’t you? It often shows in the way you write things. I think this is mostly an American (in your case former American) thing; Americans tend to have somewhat puritanical views on sex and relationships.

    Sex is on the bottom rung of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs (next to food, water, shelter, sleep, clothing, etc). And it’s harder for men to get regularly than the other items on the bottom rung because the powers that be (government and elites) have criminalized prostitution in many countries; they know if it was legalized, most men would just do the bare minimum in these countries (just look at the Dominican Republic). So unless they’re willing to break the law, men in most countries have to go through all sorts of rigamarole (like learning “game”/”rizz” or making lots of money or looking really good) to get sex.

    Keep in mind that men can be content with very little compared to women (who drive most economic spending).

  • DIM ST
    Posted at 12:28 pm, 13th May 2025

    I’ve noticed this specifically with the black pill as well. Usually what stands for SMV in the red pill community is nothing but a bunch of excuses to mask their real worry- physical attraction. It is by my personal observation that the black and red pill are basically the same thing at the core- it’s just that the red pill guys mask it with pretentious excuses and false confidence, masquerading it as “personal improvement leads to pussy”.
    No, absolutely not. Red pill guys at the most part, are monogamous themselves so they lack a strong sexual frame and mindset, and whenever they get a chance to date, they ruin it with their Outcome Dependence and being needy because they think being an exclusive boyfriend is the right way- but they just sabotage themselves in the end. Women’s “Make him Wait” button is infinitely pressed, unaware of the nuances of dating itself- they will say everything they shouldn’t, make stupid promises or act needy to get her attention, leading to no sex at all, or delayed.

    Having a sexually abundant mindset is the most important first step for these men, otherwise they will always be the loud nerds who can’t ever lead a woman properly during a date. A stupid (simpleton) pick-up artist who is at least OI and has good Kino skill, will have far, ridiculously far more success with women in comparison to the guys in the red pill and black pill who continuously have these self-defeating and irrational mindsets.
    Obviously, being Alpha Male 2.0 is the peak.

  • NYC
    Posted at 01:52 pm, 13th May 2025

    I completely understand and agree that a man should be high value for himself and his own reasons, not women. Having said that, I live in NYC, perhaps the most competitive city for dating in the world. I have lived here my entire life, and have been consistenly met and slept with women I meet online for 25 years. I can tell you that in NYC women want high value men. The closer you get to the high value ideal, the more success you will have with NYC women. That doesn’t mean that you should work out six hours a day just so you can sleep with NYC women, but it’s ture. I persoanlly promise and guarantee that NO guy who is “homeless or near homless” is banging hot white women in NYC. IF anyone can prove me wrong, I’d love to hear all about it.

  • London PUA
    Posted at 07:42 pm, 13th May 2025
  • London PUA
    Posted at 07:46 pm, 13th May 2025

    Here’s a video of a homeless guy why gets laid in new York

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bmav517MQJc

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 08:36 pm, 13th May 2025

    You mention not not giving a shit what woman want. But if you don’t care about what they want, how can you be attractive? If the answer, not caring about what they want? But only what they respond to?

    More or less, yes. Doing what is necessary on the first and second date to raise your odds of getting laid by date two is important. Stuff like your clothing, hair, don’t be a huge fatass, don’t bitch about your ex, don’t smell like shit, etc.

    I’m talking about changing your entire life around (make a million dollars, get a six pack) just to get laid. That’s dumb.

    There’s a difference between those two things.

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 08:41 pm, 13th May 2025

    You really have some emotional issues with the way other guys go about their lives, don’t you?

    Show me actual evidence that demonstrates I have “emotional issues” about this.

    And considering you have “a severe case of both Autism Spectrum Disorder and ADHD” (your words, not mine), this should be good.

    I think this is mostly an American (in your case former American) thing; Americans tend to have somewhat puritanical views on sex and relationships.

    Are you seriously implying I have “somewhat puritanical views on sex and relationships?”

    If you make a million dollars a year (and you don’t even need to make that much, even half that amount will work), you can easily get laid with hot pornstars.

    But most men at that level don’t or don’t know how. I know because I’ve personally coached them. Guys worth 9 figures often have the same problems as pussy betas with no money. I’ve talked about this before.

    You are vastly oversimplifying all of this.

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 08:45 pm, 13th May 2025

    It is by my personal observation that the black and red pill are basically the same thing at the core- it’s just that the red pill guys mask it with pretentious excuses and false confidence, masquerading it as “personal improvement leads to pussy”.

    I don’t believe that. There is some good in red pill whereas there’s nothing good about black pill.

    Red pill guys at the most part, are monogamous themselves

    That is usually true, yes, which is unfortunate.

    That’s where this stupid “purple pill” thing came from (which doesn’t actually exist).

    A stupid (simpleton) pick-up artist who is at least OI and has good Kino skill, will have far, ridiculously far more success with women in comparison to the guys in the red pill and black pill who continuously have these self-defeating and irrational mindsets.

    Now THAT is 100% accurate. I’ve seen some of the dumbest, most screwed up PUAs vastly outperform good looking red pill guys in terms of getting laid.

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 08:47 pm, 13th May 2025

    I can tell you that in NYC women want high value men.

    1. Perhaps MOST NYC women want that. Not ALL of them want that.

    2. Just because women SAY they want something doesn’t mean that’s literally the only kind of guy they will fuck. Read this: https://alphamale20.com/2015/05/04/ignore-what-women-say-only-watch-what-they-do/

    3. There are indeed plenty of low-value men in NYC getting laid with cute white girls.

    I persoanlly promise and guarantee that NO guy who is “homeless or near homless” is banging hot white women in NYC. IF anyone can prove me wrong, I’d love to hear all about it.

    You just got proven wrong in the comment right after yours.

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