21 Nov How To Protect Your Money When You Live With A Woman (Wife or GF)
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As I’ve analyzed many times before, most men over the age of 35 will eventually desire to settle down with a woman in some form or fashion (monogamously or otherwise, hopefully otherwise). Yet, in the modern era and the Western world, with today’s divorce rates and anti-man laws, a man takes on an enormous, nay insane financial risk if he does so.
If he breaks up or divorces this woman, he likely will have to pay her not only child support if they have children, but even if they don’t have kids he’ll have to pay her 50% of everything he has (this is called “communal property”) and/or alimony payments, which are monthly payments he is forced at gunpoint to pay her (not his kids, her) for many years, again, even if they don’t have any kids.
He will go to jail if he doesn’t make these payments, even for good reasons like he can’t due to a bad economy. I’ve spoken with many men who were in jail for this reason.
In some completely psychotic regions (like California… if you live in California why the fuck are you still there?) sometimes he’ll have to pay her these alimony payments FOREVER, even if she gets a new boyfriend, moves in with him, and has kids with him. Isn’t that nice?
In other scenarios, a man may have to pay his live-in girlfriend things like this even if they weren’t married. There are many names for this, including palimony, common law, etc.
Sometimes men are forced to dig into their retirement funds or equity in their own companies just to pay a divorcing wife/GF, incurring massive penalties and taxes.
And let’s not forget the legal fees. As Phil Hartman famously said, you don’t keep half in a divorce. You keep a third. One-third goes to your ex, one-third goes to attorneys, and you keep one-third.
Isn’t that nice?
We could look at all this, overcorrect, go MGTOW or black pill, and say “Okay then fuck it! I’m NEVER moving in with a woman EVER!!!” But I already talked about why that’s not a valid option in most cases for men over age 35. Most of you (once you’re over age 35, and that’s an important distinction) will want to move in with a woman at some point whether we like it or not.
So this is why we need to utilize a system, as I have with my wife, to protect ourselves financially if/when we move in with a woman in a romantic context, with or without kids.
Obviously, first you start with the OLTR Marriage model, which I’ve been doing for almost a decade and which many of you have already done.
This means three things:
1. It is a non-monogamous relationship where you are allowed to have sex with other women besides your wife whenever you want without needing any permission from her, within whatever ground rules you both agreed to in advance. I’ve been married for many years but I have sex with my FBs pretty much every week and Pink Firefly knows it.
This eliminates one of the most common arguments of long-term couples once the honeymoon period is over; one person wants to have sex (usually the man) and the other person doesn’t (usually the woman).
2. You have both signed enforceable (let me repeat that, enforceable) prenuptial paperwork that protects you in case you break up or get divorced in the future. I’ll discuss that more in a minute.
3. There is no combining of finances, at all, between the two of you during the entire relationship or marriage. Everything is in YOUR name or HER name, absolutely nothing is in BOTH of your names. No joint checking accounts, investment accounts, credit cards, auto leases, and so on. No “buying the house together” or any of that shit.
This means that when you divorce/break up she has no legal standing to demand any of your money because there was never a precedent of communal property.
When you are considering upgrading any woman from MLTR to OLTR, you have the OLTR Talk and explain all of this to her. If she protests that she won’t do any of those things, then great, you don’t upgrade her, keep her at the MLTR level, and look for your future OLTR wife elsewhere. Plenty of modern-day women will agree to these things, as many of you have already experienced.
Five flags and living internationally adds another interesting element to this. If you live in the USA, the government of the USA has control over assets in the USA and possibly liquid assets in other collapsing, closely related Western countries like the UK or Canada.
However, if you have assets well outside of the Western world, how is the US government going to confiscate those?
If you’re an American going through a divorce with an American woman, how is her attorney going to force you to give her the gold coins you have in a vault in Singapore, the apartment you own in Cambodia, or the farmland you have in Paraguay? Are they even going to know you own these things?
The short answer is that he can’t, making you quite safe on top of the enforceable prenuptial paperwork you’ve signed.
With all of that background, here is the summary list of all the things you can do to protect your assets if/when you move in with a woman, listed in no particular order.
1. If you insist on living in the Collapsing West (which you shouldn’t, but that’s a topic for another time), talk to several family or divorce attorneys in your region and ask them point blank, “If I get divorced, even if I do all the prenuptial paperwork exactly as you advise, can she still get my money?”
If the answer is “no,” “maybe,” “it depends,” or anything like that, then you can’t get legally married in this jurisdiction, and you either need to move to another city/state/province where these things are more enforceable, or never legally marry her, in which case you ask the question again, only this time about cohabitation agreements.
2. While you live with her, keep 100% of all finances separate, as I mentioned above. If she complains about this during the marriage/relationship, you fucked up and married the wrong woman, and you may need to end the relationship. FYI – In ten years of being with Pink Firefly she has never once complained about this.
3. Never work with your girlfriend or wife. Never have her in your business, or co-own a business with her, or any of that shit. That’s just asking for problems. I’ve seen many horror stories resulting from this.
4. You can move to a non-Western country that does not have or has but does not enforce any alimony or child support laws. There are lots of countries in the Latin World (and other regions) that have some of these laws on the books but they aren’t enforced at all because the government doesn’t have the resources to do so.
Then you can do pretty much whatever you want. Marrying a woman in the USA, Canada, or the UK is dangerous, but marrying a woman in Bolivia is pretty damn safe; the government will leave you alone (more or less) in countries like this.
5. You can internationalize your assets. Invest in assets that are offshore and far, far away from the jurisdiction of your current country. This is what the five flags rules are all about (never have any significant assets in the country where you live, as one example). Your wife/GF will either not even know they’re there and/or she, nor her attorney, nor her government will ever be able to get at them even if they do know.
If you have more assets and you can afford it, you can set up an international trust. This is 100% bulletproof and no one will be able to touch anything in those. However, that’s going to cost you at least $35,000 so this is only for men with more money.
6. You can combine all or some of the above items (like I did). For example, move abroad, only get serious with women who are not citizens of your passport country, have assets in different countries outside of where you live, and get enforceable prepupal paperwork wherever you do live before moving in with anyone.
This stuff really isn’t that complicated. You just need to make the extra effort to do it. Then you’ll never have to worry about this again for the rest of your life no matter what happens.
Trust me, it’s a good feeling.
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AlphaOmega
Posted at 09:19 am, 21st November 2024Yes, having some of your assets outside of the system is also a big plus not just for this but for other reasons also.
Outside of system means not linked to your name in any way.
Gold you own but is stored at your home or a friends home or burried somewhere, and no one knows you have it.
Private crypto wallet where you use it only for longer storage and dont give away the address anywhere to recieve funds for example.
You can also do it within system via setting up a charity or religion in some countries and putting the assets on that organization.
And ideally she never knows you have any of this money, but if you have kids with her you perhaps set it up in such a way they get the money in case of your death (but will also not be informed you have it before then) – assuming you want them to inherit it…
Yeeboy217
Posted at 10:48 am, 21st November 2024Couldn’t you also just have crypto wallets with lots of crypto you never tell anyone about and must’ve last and just have lying around she never finds about . How would a judge or government ever find that if you have like 5 different secret crypto wallets
Wonder what you think about that
Thanks helpful article man!
Caleb Jones
Posted at 04:49 am, 22nd November 2024When you get divorced, there’s a legal process called discovery where you are legally required to disclose your assets, including your crypto. If you don’t, you are breaking the law and could go to prison if caught. I don’t break the law, so you can make any decision you want.
It’s true that today, in November of 2024, the government can’t see your bitcoin or USDC wallets? Yes. But will that always be the case in the future? I don’t think so.
AlphaOmega
Posted at 12:31 pm, 22nd November 2024Crypto in private wallet is not on your name. Even if they discover it – which in future they might have technology for but also the counter technology will evolve – there no way for someone to claim its yours with definite certainty since its not an account on your name.
But how is crypto in private wallet different then foreign real estate, its outside the legal possibilities of the states because its not actually on their territory so no laws can apply to it, same as with foreign real estate.
But physical gold would be safer here I think because its much even harder for someone to claim its yours / on your name, especially if kept outside of one of your homes. How can someone claim its yours?
Caleb Jones
Posted at 05:39 am, 23rd November 2024Correct.
Now, correct. In the future, incorrect. 100% promise you that at some point in the future they will indeed be able to narrow down exactly who owns what, especially if it’s the basics like USDC, bitcoin, eth, etc. The only way around this would be to use something totally anonymous like monero; that (or its future version) will probably still be safe.
People vastly underestimate how difficult it will be to break the law in about 15-20 years.
It’s about the same, if not better.
Right, precious metals that aren’t in any sort of bank would be impossible to prove its yours. Read the comment above though where I talked about discovery and breaking the law by not disclosing.
AlphaOmega
Posted at 08:18 am, 25th November 2024If the gold is in the form of legal tender coins, you can just disclose it as cash of that legal tender value (which is a fraction of the gold cost), unless there is actually a law in your country explicitly saying you can’t which almost nowhere is the case, then you would not be breaking the law. That is one of the reasons to have legal tender coins even if they have higher premiums.
With the crypto and real estate comment I meant that I don’t understand why you think they help you with the divorce. Even if the judge cannot confiscate it directly, if you disclose the value of it, like you say you would, they can order you to pay 50% of its value to your wife and it will just create a debt towards her if you do not. Then if you don’t have that kind of cash lying around you’d be forced to sell it to pay her off.
AlphaOmega
Posted at 08:25 am, 25th November 2024Also, it depends on what means you own something, it will depend on the legal definition of owning something. Here is a distinction of owning something – that is to say its written on my name and there is no argument about whether its mine or not, or something that is not on my name but I have custody of it / access to it.
With crypto its never yours in the traditional sense if its not written on your name, but you do have custody of it. It will depend on the exact wording of the law.
But I think its senseless to discuss how the law might be in 15 years. The question is how it is at the moment. In most countries crypto in private wallet is legally unclear since the legislators do not yet understand it and the laws are worded in such a way that it does not take into account how it actually works, so in most cases its easy to make an argument that its not yours according to current definitions.
The downside is that if you claim its not yours they will say anything you cash out you have to declare as income and pay income tax on, but that might be the preferable option, and even in 15 years it could be the legal way to do it, depending on the exact wording of the laws at the time.
AlphaOmega
Posted at 10:26 am, 25th November 2024By the way, I have a question, if you dont pay the divorce money to your ex wife, is it seen as public debt or private debt?
That makes a huge difference because in the first case it can be seen as crime against the state, but in the second its between you and the ex and in some cases if you leave the country she can’t do anything.
Caleb Jones
Posted at 04:32 pm, 25th November 2024Maybe. I have no ideal if that’s 100% legal. That’s a question for a divorce attorney.
You’re assuming a lot with that statement. What if you have no other assets other than the crypto and real estate? How could you pay her? That’s just one example. Also, sometimes you don’t need to declare foreign real estate.
On the overall, crypto/foreign real estate is far saver than cash in your American bank account (or similar) in a divorce, period. You could play what-if scenarios all day.
If you don’t pay her or you are even just late paying her, it’s a crime; you will be charged with contempt of court. I know, because I spent 3 hours in jail once for that exact reason, and it went on my criminal record.
AlphaOmega
Posted at 11:43 am, 26th November 2024I don’t disagree with regards to crypto and real estate being way, way safer.
I am just asking how it helps you if you need to declare it, but not having to sometimes declare it answers the question now.