19 Comments on “Flowers For Algernon – Man’s Relationship Version”

1. LOL!

   But seriouslym this:

   “She said what she always says, “I don’t care, Charlie. You pick.” Yeah, well, ha, I know what that means. That means I’ll suggest a place and she’ll say “Ew! No!” Then I’ll suggest another place and she’ll say, “Oh my god Charlie, why would I want to go there?” I’ll keep suggesting places and she’ll keep shooting them down. That’s what “I don’t care, pick whatever you want” means.”

   Wtf is the solution to this…? 😛

2. Reading this H U R T S!

   What about the female readers and their desire for a Disney-happy ending?
   Let us alter the story a little bit and see what happens…

   May 29 2012

   “Well, live and learn.
   ..We moved to distant country “x” recently. Life is great here. My income now mostly earned online and from return on my investment.

   Of course all of my investments, our house and our car belong to a trust/offshore company and are not in any way connected legaly with me.

   June 14th 2013
   “She’ll fucking learn.
   Because I love her I decided to give her ample time to reconsider her drama. Took my laptop and went for a tour with 2 of my buddies to nice place “Y”. We had a lot of fun there with the local girls. I had sex with 2 local hotties and made sure to send pics of us home so my wife knew i was well and had a good time.

   June 29th 2013
   When I came back from my vacation my wife first screamed at me how rude I am leaving her and the baby at home and then have fun with other women. How dare I.
   That was when we had the talk, where I did explain her she is free to leave me anytime she wants, but without any money and no chance to legaly enforce anything. Half of nothing is nothing.

   On the other hand she can show me some respect and be a good housewife and mother and enjoy a nice life. She started to crie and throw a plate at me.
   Thats when I did grab her, threw her over my shoulder and at the couch. We had some rough sex where i locked her arms to the ground all the time. It was the best sex we have had for weeks.

   July 21st, 2013
   Since last june my wife wants so much sex all the time, it is hard to keep up. She seems to like beeing blindfolded and thrown around in bed to experience the superior strength of a male body. Boy does she get loud when I slap her or pull her hair. If it was not so damn hot I would consider closing the windows but as it is I guess our neighbors will have to live with this kind of frequent noise.

   Glad we are not in a 1st world country where schmucks call the police and cry domestic violence all the time. Here nobody really cares.

   Dec 12th 2013
   We will have another baby in a few months. Nevertheless my wife has not failed to cook, nor missed a single pilates workout. The house is perfect and the sex has never been better. I never felt better in my life.

   The end.

   Isn’t that what all worthy females want?

3. That was hilarious.

4. Maldek – Your scenario is only for high-drama men and women.

   Wes – Yes, it is. And sad at the same time.

   AnotherDragon – The answer is to do this:

   1. Tell a woman, “Tell me what kinds of food you DON’T like and are NOT in the mood for right now.”

   2. When she gives you a list, ask, “What else?” Squeeze a few more out of her.

   3. When she says that’s all, TELL HER where the two of you are going, and just make sure it’s not on her list.

   4. 95% chance she’ll agree; problem solved. If for some bizarre reason she starts to complain, interrupt her, and nicely but strongly repeat to her that’s where the two of you are going, or you guys can skip it and she can go hang out with someone else. (This is an unlikely scenario but it does happen.)

5. Well, clearly the protagonist shouldn’t have left remnants of cheese all over the kitchen.

   Seriously though, if a woman yells at you there is only one solution: you leave her.
   A woman yelling at a man is the equivalent of a man hitting a woman. Not even once…

   I find it hard to believe Tiff never yelled before in the course of the relationship, and out of the blue started yelling once the protagonist committed to her.

6. This post is basically spot on, with the possible exception of some minor details that could be added. It’s a story Blackdragon knows will repeat itself and repeat itself. The post does not, however, explain ‘why’ the ‘I’ (narrator) does what he does, and I think that’s important to understand. So I’ll try to do that here, and I’d encourage others to chime in as well.

   The narrator is just like any other human being in that he’s constantly “hungry” for something; there’s a “desire” for more; there’s “boredom” that he experiences. All of these “wantings” make it impossible to be satisfied: “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” And so he’s constantly trying to please himself, which leads him to viciously do the same thing over and over.

   I don’t think the Alpha Male 2.0 is immune to this condition, either. I believe Blackdragon himself began an “experiment” recently where he began dating women over 33. You see, even the Alpha can’t stop the “wantings” and the “hunger” for more. It’s impossible. I don’t know the reasons for the “test,” but it doesn’t really matter. It’s to satisfy a “hunger” for more. If the “desire” didn’t keep creeping in, there would be no need to experiment. The current system in place would suffice, and it could be utilized for eternity. But that’s not the way we’re wired.

   And it’s so in the case of the narrator of the above account, that dating multiple women won’t satisfy his “desires” for as long as he’s alive. He needs to keep “experimenting,” to find “what else is out there.”

7. There is a popular song called Makin’ Whoopee that I’m sure you’ve heard, that at first seems to be a fairy tale love song. Here’s the first chorus:

   Another bride, another june
   Another sunny honeymoon
   Another season, another reason
   For Makin’ Whoopee.

   A lot of shoes, a lot of rice
   The groom is nervous, he answers twice
   It’s really killin’, that he’s so willin’
   To Make Whoopee!

   Picture a little love-nest,
   Down where the roses cling,
   Picture the same sweet lovenest,
   Think what a year can bring.

   He’s washing dishes, and baby clothes
   He’s so ambitious, he even sews
   But don’t forget, folks
   That’s what you get, folks,
   For Makin’ Whoopee!

   The interesting thing is that many (most?) of the recordings leave out the second chorus of the song, which is the whole kicker of the tune, that highlights the cyclical quality of love/relationships. Pay attention, these lyrics were written in 1928!!!

   Another year, or maybe less
   What’s this I hear? Well, can’t you guess?
   She feels neglected, and he’s suspected
   Of Makin’ Whoopee!

   She sits alone, ‘most every night
   He doesn’t ‘phone her, he doesn’t write
   He says he’s “busy”
   But she says “is he?”
   He’s Makin’ Whoopee!

   He doesn’t make much money,
   Only five-thousand per
   Some judge, who thinks he’s funny,
   Says “You pay six to her”

   He says: “Now judge, suppose I fail?”
   The judge says: “Budge, right into jail!
   You’d better keep her, I think it’s cheaper
   Than Makin’ Double-U H Double-O P Double-E – Whoopee!!”

8. Bravo BD. Thanks for the good laugh and reminder.

9. I find it hard to believe Tiff never yelled before in the course of the relationship, and out of the blue started yelling once the protagonist committed to her.

   Often you’re correct. Men will talk about how their fiance is “perfect” and then the next thing you see is her bitching at him.

   However I accounted for that in the story by using the dates. Notice an entire year has gone by between when the narrator said Tiff was perfect and when he started complaining about her bitching. This does happen. It’s a natural part of betaization.

   The narrator is just like any other human being in that he’s constantly “hungry” for something; there’s a “desire” for more; there’s “boredom” that he experiences

   Generally true. I agree. Part of it is human nature.

   I don’t think the Alpha Male 2.0 is immune to this condition, either. I believe Blackdragon himself began an “experiment” recently where he began dating women over 33. You see, even the Alpha can’t stop the “wantings” and the “hunger” for more.

   Ah, but you’re forgetting one key thing. When I pursue my “wanting more”, I don’t make massive compromises into huge areas of my life. I don’t surrender my freedom or my happiness, nor do I allow any person in my life to intrude upon these things. I also don’t defensively justify these changes or attack others just because I’ve chosen to change my life around (because, again, I haven’t changed my life around…why would I?).

   The narrator did. Like almost all men, when he “wanted more”, he didn’t “experiment with new things” as you put it. Instead, he nosedived into his oneitis and massively re-oriented his life into systems that were guaranteed to eventually made him unhappy. That’s the difference between betas/Alpha 1.0s and the Alpha 2.0.

10. “When I pursue my “wanting more”, I don’t make massive compromises into huge areas of my life. I don’t surrender my freedom or my happiness, nor do I allow any person in my life to intrude upon these things.”

    That’s correct. Though you’re at a different stage in life than the guy you wrote about/character you created. Unfortunately, we need to be burned by the fire to realize it’s hot. And then some of us want to touch it again.

11. Though you’re at a different stage in life than the guy you wrote about

    Very flimsy and inaccurate excuse. Even as a young beta in my 20s I didn’t get monogamous repeatedly nor give up my freedoms to a woman. The one time I did do it, I did it reluctantly, seeing no other option, not because I “wanted” to, and even then I knew my odds of long-term success were not high.

    Unfortunately, we need to be burned by the fire to realize it’s hot. And then some of us want to touch it again.

    The very definition of insanity.

    Or stupidity.

    Or lack of direction in life.

    Or mental illness.

    Pick one.

12. “Very flimsy and inaccurate excuse.”

    It might be flimsy but it’s by no means inaccurate. Yeah, you did it one way, but other people aren’t you; they have different emotional circuitry, upbringing, etc.

    “The very definition of insanity.

    Or stupidity.

    Or lack of direction in life.

    Or mental illness.

    Pick one.”

    I’m not saying I like it. I’m saying that’s how it is. And you really can’t change that, as we see generation after generation the same political mistakes are made, the same personal mistakes are made, etc. As I said before, that’s humanity. History tells us this.

13. Jesus. Your nihilistic view of the world has worn out its welcome here. I’m not going to respond to any more of your “the world is screwed, we’re all screwed, nothing we can do about it” comments any longer. I wish you the all the best.

14. You’re not really using the term “nihilism” correctly. The term refers to there being no value (which can lead to reckless behavior, a sort of “I can do anything and not worry about consequences” mindset). I’ve never said anything suggesting that there is nothing valuable.

    Your response to my comments is basically identical to a monogamist who defends his or her actions and then gets frustrated because he or she doesn’t hear what they want to hear (i.e. there’s no logic to it, just emotion).

15. Nice description of how the male hamster works. Esp the, ‘game is poison’ part.

16. All I say, is ain’t it the truth. And we do it to ourselves.

17. Re: what Rick wrote:

    > The post does not, however, explain ‘why’ the ‘I’ (narrator) does what he does, and I think that’s important to understand.

    Human beings cycle between the want for excitement and security. We can’t have both at the same time, which is why we spent some time in room A and then when we had enough we go into room B.

    Women want material security and excitement. Men want it too, but different. Men want intimacy security and sexual excitement.

18. Gave this oldie a re-read today because of all the recent “marriage” posts. I’d actually consider it one of the most important posts written on this blog for men who’s been living the Alpha 2.0 lifestyle for a while. It sums up the whole, natural journey;

    The frustration that leads men to the manosphere

    The excitement to learn and try the techniques

    The overwhelming succes and joy it brings to get consistent results and experience NRE with multiple girls at once

    The ending of the exciting phase (I.e. “goal achieved”, such like hitting an annual income of 100$ K and wondering “What now?”)

    That feeling when you get extremely powerful NRE (That you either control and enjoy or turn oneitsy like our protagonist)

    I think we could all fall trap to the fact that the grass will always seem greener on the other side; Once you’ve gotten consistent, the sweet sound of having a girl who’s Not Like The Rest™ and Will Love You Forever™ and Have Sex With You Every Day™ suddenly sounds exciting and promising, and we could all risk falling straight back into old models that we already know don’t work.

    Very inspirational when you’re in some serious NRE.

19. HAHAHAHAHAHA

     

    You forgot the part where you leave flowers at the grave of Algernon, the sweet bluepill beta guy you realize is just the same as you