My Response to MGTOWs

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-By Caleb Jones

A while back, I posted an article about how more and more men were acting like man boys well into their 30s, making very little money, not really getting laid, and spending time playing video games and crap like that. In response, a pile of depressed, angry man boys came out of the woodwork and defended these men. Their argument was essentially that it wasn’t worth making money or living a great life because women suck now, or something.

Yes, that’s actually what they said. Many of these guys insulted me personally. Click the link above and check out the comments to see what depression and loserhood really look like.

Most of these guys are what’s called MGTOWs, or Men Going Their Own Way. These are men who are so angry at women (and left-wing society in general) that they’ve thrown their arms up in the air and eschewed marriage, dating women, and in some cases, even sex altogether. Yikes.

Much like the angry alt-right manosphere guys, most MGTOWs are blue pill men who are furious they can’t have their blue pill anymore like their grandpa could in 1952. The difference is that instead of going out and getting laid anyway, MGTOWs become unhappy, lazy man boys, often dealing with recurring feelings of anger, depression and resentment. Sound like fun?
Interestingly, I am a type of MGTOW myself. I’m just the pro-sex kind that loves women. Obviously I have removed myself from the standard system of traditional dating, betaization, drama, and the divorce-rape of men. However, I have done so in a way where I can have sex, companionship, and even love whenever I want. That’s what the FB / MLTR / OLTR models are all about.

As always, I follow a model of long-term, consistent happiness. The typical man boy MGTOW model is the opposite. It’s one of anger, resentment, laziness, immaturity, loneliness, and often depression.

Today I’m going to respond to the arguments that these men, and men like them, have made over the years, those espousing a low-income, low-sex, dependent, boring, sad life (outside of video games, porn and cheeseburgers, that is). In this type of life, exciting work, Mission, travel, and sex with hot babes are replaced by Hot Pockets, breakfast cereal, video games, and bitching on manosphere sites about how horrible everything is.
I don’t expect to change any of these men’s minds today. These guys have purposely decided to embark on a path of unhappiness and one article from me won’t change that. Instead, today’s post is really aimed at those of you out there who are leaning in this direction. Hopefully I can help turn some of you away from the abyss before it’s too late.

MGTOW Argument Number 1: Living a life of achievement isn’t worth it anymore because women today aren’t the sweet, loyal, submissive sweethearts they used to be.

This is the argument I’ve heard the most from the man boys. As you can probably already tell, it doesn’t make any sense, and it’s upsetting that I have to take the time to explain why it doesn’t make sense. Yet that is what I shall do. (The things I do for you guys!)

Here’s a quick test for you depressed MGTOWs:

Question 1: Which is the better scenario?

1. Never having sex with a girl, or at least a hot girl, for the rest of your life, and making $20,000 a year.

2. Never having sex with a girl, or at least a hot girl, for the rest of your life, and making $75,000 a year.

Yes, I know that’s a really hard question, requiring hours of analysis and self reflection. Uh huh.

One response might be that it takes more effort and stress to make $75K per year than $20K per year, but that’s not true, and I’ll explain why in a minute.

But let’s not get hung up on the numbers. Here’s an even better question. Again, it’s really, really hard...

Question 2: Which is the better scenario?

1. Never having sex with a girl, or at least a hot girl, for the rest of your life, and regularly being unable to pay your bills while experiencing constant financial problems because you don’t make enough money.

2. Never having sex with a girl, or at least a hot girl, for the rest of your life, and never having any financial stress because you make plenty of money enabling you to live a decently happy and independent life.

I know. I’m really blowing your mind here with the difficult questions. How about this one?

Question 3: Which is the better scenario?

1. Never having sex with a girl, or at least a hot girl, for the rest of your life, while being fat, feeling like shit whenever you look in the mirror, and having constant major health problems as you get older.

2. Never having sex with a girl, or at least a hot girl, for the rest of your life, while being relatively healthy and fit, smiling when you look in the mirror, and having near-zero health problems as you get older.

As you can see with these questions, I’ve demonstrated that even if you remove sex and/or women from the equation, you’ll still be happier if you make more money and pay attention to your personal fitness, as just two examples. I’ve explained this in great detail before. I’ve also talked about the studies that show that men are happier if they make at least $75,000 a year.

That’s just income and fitness. There is also happiness from things like travel, fun but more expensive activities, having a compelling Mission in life that brings you excitement, and various other things.

None of these things have anything to do with women! They can involve women, but they don’t have to. That’s up to you. If you say, “I don’t want to make lots of money because women are bitches,” then your entire view of life is bizarrely woman-centric. Making money makes you happier! It has nothing to do with women!

Back when I was 18 years old, living on my own and so poor I could barely buy groceries or put gas in my car, I fantasized about being rich, or at least having a high income. I NEVER thought this:

“I want to get rich so I can fuck hot girls someday!”

Nor did I ever think:

“I want to bust my ass and make a lot of money so I can find a good, loyal wife someday!”


Instead, I wanted to earn more money because I was tired of stressing out about paying my electric bill every month. I was tired of looking at the amazing life rich people lived on TV that I couldn’t live. I wanted to drive a nice car, live in a nice home, visit Europe and Asia whenever I wanted, and relax on a beautiful beach.

There were no women anywhere in these wealthy fantasies. Of course, I was a horny 18 year-old just like all teenagers and I wanted to get laid, but thoughts about women were completely separate from my desires to make more money and thus live a better life. My desires for living a good life and making more money had nothing to do with women, sex, or marriage.

No one is saying you have to be a millionaire or make six figures (more on this in a minute), but more money will make you happier regardless of the women who are (or are not) in your life.

MGTOW Argument Number 2: Pickup and relationship techniques are playing women’s game. Fuck that! I’m not going to play their game! I’m just going to be either A) celibate or B) settle for a boring, average looking (monogamous) girlfriend or C) pay for hookers.

I’m having sex with multiple women at all times, without lying to any of them, usually getting from zero to sex in less than three hours and with less than $20 spent grand total. One third of the time it’s zero dollars. I rarely spend any real money on women in FB or MLTR relationships, yet these relationships often last many years.
Do you think I’m playing their game? Am I doing what women in society think is right and appropriate? Am I going along with the feminist agenda? Do you think a feminist would enjoy reading this blog? Am I being blue pill? Am I putting women on a pedestal? Am I making my life or my happiness any less good by having sex with these women?

The answer to all of these questions is no.

This entire blog and all of my books scream one very simple message: You can have tons of sex and relationships with hot women without playing their game.

Your argument might be, “Well, you have to make more money and look better if you want women, so you ARE playing their game.” Again, I would make more money and pay close attention to my physical appearance even if I never wanted to have sex with a woman ever again, as I’ve already explained here.

MGTOW Argument Number 3: The opportunities men had in the past are gone. Wages are lower, taxes are higher, college sucks now, jobs suck now, men are ridiculed, we have affirmative action for females, HR departments are anti-man, etc. Society is pretty much telling young men to fuck off. So yeah, playing video games and smoking weed and watching porn is a pretty good idea considering all of this shit.

Your assessment is correct. Your prescription for happiness is not.

I work with a 27 year-old guy who started from nothing three years ago, with tons of debt, and now makes $270,000 a year. How do you explain him?

My son, at age 24, is a sales manager at a startup, making good money. How do you explain him?

I met a guy last month, age 29, who started a signage company a few years ago and now nets $9,000 a month. By the way, this guy is a moron who can’t speak English correctly and never went to college. How do you explain him?

At a seminar I went to earlier this year, I met a guy who was 26 years old and worked for a local phone company with a salary of $71,000 a year. How do you explain him?

I could fill the next several pages with examples of young men, some of whom went to college and some who did not, who are making decent money right now, right this minute. These men live in the same fucked up, economically depressed, anti-man, leftist world as you do. How do you explain all of these guys? How do you explain me?

The only difference between these men and you is that while you sat around like a loser, complaining about how horrible everything is, these men did what I did when I was in my 20s. They read the books, got the advice they needed from more successful men, and got to work. When something didn’t work, they tried something else, and kept working. And now they make good money while you’re at home, poor and playing video games. While they’re counting their cash with big smiles, you’re going online and insulting people like me who are trying to help people like you.

These guys are happier than you are. In 20 years, they’ll still be happier than you.

You could be one of them if you wanted. But deep down you know you don’t want that. You want to be unhappy.

I’m glad I’m not you.

MGTOW Argument Number 4: Making money is too much work. Guys with high incomes work too hard and stress too much. It’s less stressful for me to just be a lazy, no-cash loser and not worry about it.

For most of my adult life, I have made a six figure income while working less than 30 hours per week. This even goes back to when I was a married beta male over 10 years ago. I worked seven or eight hours a day, Monday through Thursday, always took Fridays off, and never worked weekends. 30 hours a week. Six figure income. 31 years old. (Though I was not location independent back then like I am today; that came later.)

Making a lot of money requires hard work and stress if you do it the Societal Programming way. If you do it the smart way, the Alpha Male 2.0 way, you don’t need to work long hours at all. I certainly haven’t. (Note: To be clear, lately I’ve been working a little more than 30 hours a week, but I do so by choice. Technically, I don’t have to work those hours. As the women in my life often like to remind me, I could work half the hours I currently work, or less, and still be just fine in terms of lifestyle.)
Making lots of money on low work hours per week is what I do and what I teach. It’s my thing. Refer to my book and my time management blog for more detailed information on how to do that.

Thinking that the ONLY way to make good money is to bust your ass and stress yourself out for decades on end is just you surrendering to false and outdated Societal Programming.

MGTOW Argument Number 5: Not everyone can be a rich entrepreneur who fucks a bunch of girls! Society could never work that way!

Correct, it couldn’t. But I’m not talking about society. I never am. I’m talking about YOU. This blog is not aimed at “society” and it never will be. It’s aimed only at the 10% of men who want a better life. That’s it. The other 90% of men can go fuck themselves for all I care (and they have, via their lifestyle and political choices over the last few decades).

I don’t give society advice. I used to do that, way back in the 1990s when we still had a fighting chance. Back then I was very politically active for American third parties like Ross Perot, the Libertarian Party and the Reform Party. But that was a long time ago. Around the early 2000s, we passed the point of no return. Today, as I’ve clearly explained many times over multiple blogs, Western society is fucked no matter what you or I do.

So instead of giving advice to society (which is already screwed beyond repair at this point), today I give advice to individuals, who can be saved.

I give advice to you. Yes, you, the guy who is reading this right now on his computer, phone or tablet. You.

Not every man can be a successful entrepreneur. But you can.

Not every man can bang hot chicks. But you can.

Not every man can be an Alpha Male 2.0. But you can.

Not every man can live a location independent lifestyle. But you can.

None of these things require being someone special. In my 25 year business career, I’ve seen complete idiots, I mean serious morons, make piles of money. (Nothing will piss you off more than meeting a guy who is dumber than you, but makes more money than you.) In my near 10 year PUA “career,” I’ve seen the ugliest, poorest guys bang the hottest chicks I’ve ever seen. (Nothing will piss you off more than meeting a guy who is uglier than you AND makes less money than you while having sex with a hotter woman than you, though fortunately I haven’t met any of these guys in a while.)

You can do it. It takes work. It takes time. But you can do it if you want to.

I’m not saying you need to be a multi-millionaire, or make six figures, or have sex with 19 year-old LA models. Seriously, you don’t need to do any of that in order to be happy.

All I’m saying is to get your income up to $75K per year, and get enough balls to have one MLTR or OLTR who is at least kinda cute and just one FB on the side. That’s it. That’s achievable by any man reading these words.

As I’ve said before, your excuses will never make you happy. But making a little more money and getting a little more sex definitely will.

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